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Josh Brown Sees an ‘Anti-Bubble’ With Nvidia at 15.3 Times Forward Earnings. Cisco Traded at 219 Times Earnings When the 2000 Bubble Peaked

Chart: Bubble leaders, then and now. In 2000, prices outran profits. Now profits lead.

Josh Brown Sees an ‘Anti-Bubble’ With Nvidia at 15.3 Times Forward Earnings. Cisco Traded at 219 Times Earnings When the 2000 Bubble Peaked

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  • Cisco's valuation at the 2000 bubble peak makes Nvidia look like a bargain, yet the number that matters isn't the one most people are comparing.
  • Nvidia's profits and its stock price moved in opposite directions over the last three years, which is exactly what makes the bubble comparison so complicated.
  • The one scenario where Brown's entire anti-bubble thesis collapses is the same thing that destroyed Cisco, and Nvidia's next earnings report could trigger exactly that.
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Where we heard itCNBC, Halftime Report, “The AI Correction, Tech Earnings and the Rally,” Oct. 27, 2026. Speaker: Josh Brown, CEO of Ritholtz Wealth Management, with panelist Jenny Harrington.

Josh Brown came onto CNBC’s Halftime Report on Oct. 27 with a list. The three cheapest stocks in the market by PEG ratio, he said, were SandiskSNDK at 0.08, MicronMU at 0.10 and Western DigitalWDC at 0.13. The PEG ratio divides a stock’s price to earnings by its expected growth rate, so a reading far below 1 means investors are paying little for that growth. Then he turned to NvidiaNVDA: “Nvidia is selling at 15.3 times forward earnings.”

Quote: “Earnings expectations for tech are not coming down. They’re going up. We have an anti-bubble in valuation.” Josh Brown, CEO of Ritholtz Wealth Management, on CNBC’s Halftime Report
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Calling it an anti-bubble is a claim about history. In a bubble, prices run ahead of what companies earn. Brown is saying the reverse has happened: profits are climbing faster than the stocks. That can be checked against the last mania built on tech hardware. Its leader was CiscoCSCO, which passed Microsoft in market value at its March 2000 high, according to our math from its filings and share price.

Checking the 15.3

Nvidia closed at $217.94 on Oct. 27. Analysts expect it to earn $13.66 a share, adjusted, over the four fiscal quarters from November 2026 through October 2027, according to the Zacks consensus published by Nasdaq. That works out to 16.0 times forward earnings, a bit above Brown’s figure; estimates and prices differ by data provider and time of day. Counting the quarter that ended in October but hasn’t been reported yet, the multiple is 18.1. Either way it sits at or below the S&P 500, which FactSet put at 18.7 times forward earnings on Oct. 23.

Micron looks cheaper still. At $928.76, it trades at 5.3 times the $176.51 a share analysts expect over its next four quarters. A JPMorgan strategist made a similar case this month, calling for semiconductor earnings growth of 150% while the group still looks cheap.

What Investors Paid in 2000

Analyst forecasts from 1999 and 2000 aren’t public in a form we can check, so we compared the companies on what they had actually earned. For each leader of the dot-com market, we took its market value at its bubble-era high close and divided it by the net income in its last four quarterly reports, using the numbers in its SEC filings at the time. We did the same for Nvidia.

Bar chart: Cisco cost 219 times earnings at the 2000 peak. Nvidia costs 27. Market value divided by net income over the last four reported quarters: Cisco 219 times at its March 27, 2000 high close, Microsoft 74 times on Dec. 27, 1999, Intel 54 times on Aug. 31, 2000, and Nvidia 27 times at the Oct. 27, 2026 close.
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Cisco was worth $555 billion at its March 27, 2000 close and had earned $2.54 billion over the previous four quarters: 219 times earnings. MicrosoftMSFT traded at 74 times at its December 1999 high and IntelINTC at 54 times in August 2000. Nvidia, worth about $5.25 trillion, trades at 27 times the $193 billion it earned in its last four reported quarters. That profit figure includes large gains on Nvidia’s investments, $16.4 billion of nonoperating income in its April quarter alone, so the multiple on its chip business alone is somewhat higher.

The anti-bubble test, by the numbers

Nvidia, forward P/E16.0xNext four quarters’ consensus, Oct. 27 close
Cisco, March 2000219xTrailing earnings at its bubble high
Micron, forward P/E5.3xNext four quarters’ consensus
S&P 500, forward P/E18.7xFactSet, Oct. 23

Profits Outran the Stock

The bigger difference shows up in the three years before each peak. Cisco’s market value rose 16.4-fold over that stretch while its trailing profit grew 2.4-fold, so its multiple climbed from 32 to 219. Microsoft’s value rose 6.1-fold against 2.1-fold profit growth, Intel’s 3.2-fold against 1.4-fold.

Nvidia ran the other way. Its market value rose 5.2-fold from Oct. 27, 2023, while its trailing profit grew 18.7-fold. Its multiple fell from 97 times earnings to 27. On this test, Brown’s description holds up.

Chart: In 2000, stock prices ran far ahead of profits. Nvidia’s profits have outrun its stock. Four small charts of market value against trailing net income, each set to 100 three years before the peak. Cisco: market value up 16.4 times, net income up 2.4 times, price to earnings 32 at the start and 219 at the end; Microsoft: market value up 6.1 times, net income up 2.1 times, price to earnings 26 at the start and 74 at the end; Intel: market value up 3.2 times, net income up 1.4 times, price to earnings 23 at the start and 54 at the end; Nvidia: market value up 5.2 times, net income up 18.7 times, price to earnings 97 at the start and 27 at the end.
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Where the Argument Can Break

A forward multiple is only as good as the forecast under it, and that is where the 2000 comparison bites. Cisco’s earnings didn’t hold up. After reporting $2.67 billion of profit for the fiscal year that ended in July 2000, it posted a net loss of $1.01 billion the next year. Its stock fell 89% from the March 2000 high to its October 2002 low and didn’t close above that high again until Dec. 10, 2025.

Nvidia’s forecasts have so far run too low. It has topped the consensus earnings estimate in each of its last six reports, by roughly 4% to 8%. Fellow panelist Jenny Harrington, CEO of Gilman Hill Asset Management, pushed back on Brown’s reading. The PEG ratios are low, she said, because “there’s so much skepticism over the growth rates,” and strong reports can still get “a muted response, which is what we’ve seen happen to Nvidia over and over.”

Morgan Stanley’s Mike Wilson is betting the skeptics have more room to run. On his Thoughts on the Market podcast released Oct. 26, he said, “I see another 10 to 15% lower for the semiconductor index into mid-November.” The PHLX Semiconductor index closed at 11,083.47 that day, so his call points to roughly 9,421 to 9,975. It rose to 11,482.50 on Oct. 27. Options traders had been piling into semiconductor puts as chip funds slid earlier this month.

What to Watch

Nvidia reports its October quarter in November. The consensus calls for $2.49 a share. Another beat would push the forward multiple lower again without the stock moving. A miss, or a cut to the $15.74 a share analysts expect for the fiscal year ending January 2028, would be the first sign of the problem that sank Cisco. Doug Clinton has argued that the AI selloff looks like a routine drawdown. The next two earnings reports will test that too.

The bottom line

Brown’s anti-bubble claim survives the comparison with 2000. Cisco cost 219 times its earnings at the peak, and Nvidia’s profits have grown far faster than its stock for three years, leaving it near 16 times forward estimates. The risk is the same one that broke Cisco: the cheap multiple depends on earnings forecasts that have to keep coming true.

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